'
1
Forums Albums Skins 1
Search Register Logon


You are logged in as a guest. Logon or register an account to access more features.
OTHER FORUMS:    Barrel Horses  -   Trucks   -   Cutting  -   Reining  -   Roping 
'
F-350 Won't Start

Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Last activity 2007-11-27 5:49 PM
23 replies, 6518 views

View previous thread :: View next thread
   General Discussion -> Trailer Talk  Click to return to Barrel Talk
Refresh
Message format
 
cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-11-24 1:36 PM (#71741)
Subject: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 430
10010010010025
Location: TN
I was hoping someone may have a suggestion... I have a 2001 F-350 Power Stroke. I went to start it this afternoon and no luck. It tried to turn over at first but then nothing. The lights and power windows work as did the lights on my trailer, so I am assuming it is not the batteries, although they are original. They were recently tested by my mechanic, who said they were fine and not to think about replacing them until next spring/ summer. I am staying in NE PA right now and the temperatures got to about 20 degrees last night. I have never plugged this truck in before (I've had it since new) but found the plug and plugged it in about 2 hours ago. I just tried to start it and it didn't crank. I can have it towed on Monday if need be, but was wondering how long it would need to be plugged in or if there is anything else I can do in the meantime. Thanks for your help!
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
iCE CRM
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2007-11-24 1:53 PM (#71742 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 379
100100100252525
Location: Columbia, TN
I would bet a dollar to a donut that it is your batteries. About 5 years is all they last and if one is weak it won't start but the lights will work. Replace both of them.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
perfect11s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2007-11-24 2:15 PM (#71743 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Regular


Posts: 83
252525
Location: Cheshire England

Hi sounds like the cold has killed your batterys but first check your connections,and grounds from the batterys, do you get a click when you turn the key, do the lights dim??? have you tryed a jump start from another truck?? 

re plugging it in that will help cranking by warming it up (thins the oil) but the batterys still need to be good!!  



Edited by perfect11s 2007-11-24 2:27 PM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2007-11-24 2:18 PM (#71744 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 1205
1000100100
Location: Arkansas
Same exact scenerio happened with us, and it WAS the batteries after all.....good luck, hope it is simple!
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-11-24 2:18 PM (#71745 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 3802
20001000500100100100
Location: Rocky Mount N.C.
Will the engine spin over? If the batteries are good and it's turning the engine over good and won't fire up, then you may have a bad "Cam positioning Sensor". Easy to change, everyone I know around here with a 1999-early 2003 7.3 Powerstroke carries an extra one in their glove box, they know it's going to go bad....The question is when?

Edited by retento 2007-11-24 2:19 PM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-11-24 2:25 PM (#71747 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 430
10010010010025
Location: TN
Lights work on both truck and trailer. Power windows, clock, and radio all work as well. I also have a diesel car that was slow to start this afternoon. How long should I leave this truck plugged in for to tell if it is related to the cold?
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
perfect11s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2007-11-24 2:35 PM (#71749 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Regular


Posts: 83
252525
Location: Cheshire England
 If it was very cold or you have the wrong grade or very dirty oil in it  could cause slow cranking then leaving it pluged in for a few hours would help,  diesels need  a lot of amps to crank and need to crank quickly for a sure start, the correct viscosity oil is important also ,still sounds like battery trouble if its not cranking, hope this helps

Edited by perfect11s 2007-11-24 2:43 PM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-11-24 2:41 PM (#71751 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 3802
20001000500100100100
Location: Rocky Mount N.C.
You may as well put the battery charger on while you wait, just warming it up a little may not be enough, it will be dark soon! Seven yoer old batteries, you got your monies worth out of that pair!! Depend on replacing them BOTH.

Edited by retento 2007-11-24 2:50 PM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-11-24 2:44 PM (#71752 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 430
10010010010025
Location: TN
The oil is good in both vehicles. I am religious about maintenance. (Former Ford service advisor plus I now drive 50K plus a year for work and do not like to be left sitting.) I have not treated either with winter treatment since the weather got colder. I am headed out now to try and jump start the truck.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-11-24 3:11 PM (#71755 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 430
10010010010025
Location: TN
Truck won't jump....I guess I'll call US Rider to come get it on Monday morning.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-11-24 4:43 PM (#71757 - in reply to #71755)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 3853
200010005001001001002525
Location: Vermont

Post over here... http://www.powerstrokeforum.com/

or here... http://www.oilburners.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2007-11-24 5:03 PM (#71758 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start



Expert


Posts: 2453
20001001001001002525
Location: Northern Utah

If the truck will crank and still not start. It's probably a couple of bad glow plugs.  And usually when the glow plugs go bad, so does the control module.

This happened to my 2000 7.3L during the Winter Olympics here in 2002. I was working at the downhill and could not get my truck to start after being parked in the parking lot. It would start every morning in the garage at 40* but refused to start when sitting in 20* open parking lot.  Try a little starter fluid (ether) sprayed into your air intac   A little goes a long way, just a 2-3 second spray. and then try to start. If its just one or two glow plugs this will usually be enough to get it running.

If you've got 4-5 glow plugs bad, then you are probably in for a tow.  Have them replace all 8 while they are are replacing the bad ones. Once they have the valve covers off, it's not very expensive to do all eight vs just 2-3.

If the engine won't crank, take a serious look at your batteries. My original Ford batteries never last more than 36 months. They will run fine today and be dead tomorrow, not a lot of advance notice they are going dead.

I run about 85,000 to 90,000 miles per truck before I sell them, Usually every 3 years. I've never changed out a cam sensor. But maybe I've been lucky.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Tintilly
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2007-11-24 5:29 PM (#71761 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Member


Posts: 32
25
Location: Paige, Tx
I agree with most others it needs to be plugged in, a couple hrs should be fine but nobody mentioned checking the fuel filter also. It could be dirty. I was told when I lived in the north as long as the fuel filter was in goood shape there was no need to use #1 diesel. I had my truck on a timer and had the tank heater timed to come on about 2 hrs before I needed to go. Good luck. Nancy
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-11-25 9:58 AM (#71774 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start-UPDATE


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 430
10010010010025
Location: TN
I left the truck plugged in overnight and it started right up this morning.

What does this mean?
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-11-25 1:46 PM (#71785 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 3802
20001000500100100100
Location: Rocky Mount N.C.
It means it was warm!! It may also mean that you may still need to get those batteries "LOAD TESTED", and have the glow plugs checked. Any one of these can be a "bit off" on a cold day and keep the truck from starting. 444 cid V-8 diesel turns pretty stiff, takes a pair of good batteries to light the glow plugs and twist a cold engine.....At the same time.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
wyndancer
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2007-11-25 5:13 PM (#71789 - in reply to #71774)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start-UPDATE


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 406
100100100100
Location: Minneapolis, MN

The 7.3L Powerstroke needs to attaina certain rpm during cranking or it won't start. Couple that with 6-7 years batteries and you can have "issues". If the cranking rpm is border line, and your batteries are borderline, you will not have enough electrical reserve to power the injector circuit.

Also as others mentioned, you could also have an issue with either 1) one or more glowplugs have failed, and 2) the glow plug relay isn't functioning. Either of these is a common "no start cold" problem.

I would check 3 things.

1) load test batteries as individually, if one tests bad, replace both.

2) Have a tech check to see if the glow plug relay is working.

and if it is,

3) have a tech test the glow plugs, individually. if one or two are bad, replace them all. The are about $10 each for the parts.

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
cpearso9
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2007-11-26 12:48 AM (#71802 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


New User


Posts: 2

Location: Laurel, Indiana
Try changing your oil. The 7.3 liter power strokes need clean oil to help them start and run better because they are run by high pressure oil. Also might try letting the glow plugs heat up twice before trying to crank the engine--do this by turning your key and waiting for the engine light to go off and turn off your key then repeat and when your engine light goes off, try cranking it. You may have some glow plugs that are not working.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
happyrider929
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2007-11-26 3:24 PM (#71845 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Regular


Posts: 57
2525
Our 2001 F-250 recently had its first issue, in that I drove it around all morning, parked it, got back in it to hook up the trailer, and it suddenly wouldn't start. All lights, etc worked fine, and we were pretty sure it was a fuel starvation issue.Turns out it was the IDM module, which is essentially (I think) the computer chip that drives the fuel injectors. They also replaced the cam sensor and said it was time for new batteries.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
RollinPonies
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2007-11-27 1:04 AM (#71870 - in reply to #71752)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Veteran


Posts: 190
100252525
Location: Texas

I too am "religious about maintenance."  I replace the batteries at 3 years.

I have a good friend that is also "religious about maintenance."  He changes his oil at 3K, services all the other fluids on schedule, regularly checks the air in his tires AND he refuses to replace his battery until it causes him to be stuck somewhere . . . I have never understood his logic.  How much money can he be saving by waiting until he gets stranded?

Oh well . . . a good friend he is anyway!

Roll on

 



Edited by RollinPonies 2007-11-27 1:06 AM
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
cutter99
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-11-27 11:37 AM (#71907 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 430
10010010010025
Location: TN

I'm not sure I appreciate the judgemental tone in which the last post was made. Had you read my original post fully and not been busy judging me, you would have seen that I had the batteries tested by a reputable technician who did not want to replace them because they were not even marginal. Why would he not sell me batteries when he was told to replace them if they were even questionable? Any idiot knows that if batteries last 3-4 years, you have more than gotten your money out of them.

This is not a question of me being cheap or stupid. My oil is changed every 3 months or every 3K, whichever comes first and is replaced with the proper weight oil. As the truck is 6 years old with only 50K miles, I've changed the oil much more frequently than recommended.

I've been driving for over 20 years and been left to sit very infrequently because I maintain my vehicles- not that I should have to quantify myself to your selfrighteous judgement. I can only hope it never happens to you! I thought this was a forum to help and educate people, not make them feel inferior.

Oh, by the way... The truck has been running fine since we realized the fuel had gelled and we corrected the problem!

 

 

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-11-27 12:51 PM (#71908 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 1723
1000500100100
Location: michigan

Don't get excited by the tone of a post. Ignore it should it not be helpful.

We also have a f-250ps diesel. We plug her in when it gets really cold but mostly we do what another poster suggested,turn the key, wait a bit, then do it again. Sometimes three times in a row. It usually starts right up.

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-11-27 3:13 PM (#71918 - in reply to #71907)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Expert


Posts: 3853
200010005001001001002525
Location: Vermont
Originally written by cutter99 on 2007-11-27 11:37 AM

I'm not sure I appreciate the judgemental tone in which the last post was made. Had you read my original post fully and not been busy judging me, you would have seen that I had the batteries tested by a reputable technician who did not want to replace them because they were not even marginal. Why would he not sell me batteries when he was told to replace them if they were even questionable? Any idiot knows that if batteries last 3-4 years, you have more than gotten your money out of them.

This is not a question of me being cheap or stupid. My oil is changed every 3 months or every 3K, whichever comes first and is replaced with the proper weight oil. As the truck is 6 years old with only 50K miles, I've changed the oil much more frequently than recommended.

I've been driving for over 20 years and been left to sit very infrequently because I maintain my vehicles- not that I should have to quantify myself to your selfrighteous judgement. I can only hope it never happens to you! I thought this was a forum to help and educate people, not make them feel inferior.

Oh, by the way... The truck has been running fine since we realized the fuel had gelled and we corrected the problem!

Congrats on getting your truck running again...

out of curiosity are you running BioDiesel?

If so, what percent?

As a side note...Gee...I'm glad I did NOT tell you to get a GMC Duramax...

share Top of the page Bottom of the page
iCE CRM
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2007-11-27 5:02 PM (#71925 - in reply to #71918)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 379
100100100252525
Location: Columbia, TN
I don't think the fuel will gel in the middle of the day after a 20 degree night. Mine gelled once and it was 17 below. I still say you will be replacing the batteries within  2 months. Just my opinion.
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
perfect11s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2007-11-27 5:49 PM (#71929 - in reply to #71741)
Subject: RE: F-350 Won't Start


Regular


Posts: 83
252525
Location: Cheshire England
Hi hope you didden't mind my post just trying to help,just confused... the way i read your post was that your truck wasn't cranking??  (gelled fuel would cause truck to crank but not start) , hence surgestion about oil and batterys  glad your on the road again, best regards from across the pond...  
share Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread
Message format
 

'
Registered to: Horse Trailer World
(Delete all cookies set by this site)