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walkin
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2007-11-16 9:59 AM (#71335)
Subject: Torque And Horsepower, When Is It Enough??


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So if a truck has a certain GVWR, will the hp, rear, and torque that comes standard handle it??

What is a good hp/torque/ rear combination??  For a 3 horse LQ loaded with a lot of extra water and hay?

 

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-11-16 10:36 AM (#71341 - in reply to #71335)
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When you're pulling trailers HP figures aren't what brings the bacon home. It's torque; the amount of twist an engine can provide to the drivetrain that's at issue. Quarter mile times are determined by horse power, how large a load a truck can pull over a hill is determined by torque.

Gas engine values are greatly varied, and the numbers are generated at much higher rpms than the diesels, almost twice as high. This means more shifting to keep the rpm in a high range.

Most of the diesels of a few years ago had torque ratings in the 500-550 lb/ft range. Most of the new ones produce 650 lb/ft or better. Not only are these ratings higher than a gas engine, more importantly they are at much lower rpms; typically 1800-2500 rpms instead of a gas at 4000-5000 rpms. This is what reliabily pulls a heavy load comfortably all day long.

Diesels hp and torque values are easily increased with different computer chip installations. An older diesel can be upgraded to match the newer motor's output at a fraction of the price of a new truck.

Any of the diesels available today will pull any trailer within the truck's stated gvwr, and you can hook up to it with no modifications. The only option you might consider is the available rear axle ratio for towing.

BOL  Gard

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2007-11-16 10:57 AM (#71343 - in reply to #71335)
Subject: RE: Torque And Horsepower, When Is It Enough??


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I used to pull what you stated, with 185hp, 385# of torque, with 35" tall tires, 3 speed automatic, 4.10 gears, at 65 mph. Now days it seems to take 350+ hp, 650# torque, 32" tall tires, 5-6 speed automatics, 6 speed manuals, 3.73-4.30 gears and I get passed all the time by those trucks running 75-80 mph. All the new trucks will handle the GVWR stated for said vehicle, how well it handles it depends on how much money you want to spend on said vehicle when purchacing. Just depends on what make, model and style vehicle you want!! They are all good, none better than the other.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-11-16 11:25 PM (#71379 - in reply to #71335)
Subject: RE: Torque And Horsepower, When Is It Enough??


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walkin
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2007-11-17 5:27 AM (#71381 - in reply to #71335)
Subject: RE: Torque And Horsepower, When Is It Enough??


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Thats nice, but not really the answer to the question I asked.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-11-17 12:59 PM (#71388 - in reply to #71381)
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Originally written by walkin on 2007-11-17 5:27 AM

Thats nice, but not really the answer to the question I asked.

Well if you'd post the actual weight we could start to discuss real numbers...

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walkin
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Posted 2007-11-17 3:26 PM (#71389 - in reply to #71335)
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I think they said the GVWR was 19,500
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2007-11-17 3:59 PM (#71390 - in reply to #71335)
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Most any of the modern diesel trucks built in the 6-7 years will tow the trailer you decribe.

Of course a 3h LQ might weigh 9,000 or it might weigh 18,000lbs. So you need to be a little more specific.

If I had the heavier trailer, I'd get a dually with the 4.10 rear end. The 9,000 to 11,000lb trailers work fine with a 3.83 SRW

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-11-17 4:06 PM (#71391 - in reply to #71389)
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Originally written by walkin on 2007-11-17 3:26 PM

I think they said the GVWR was 19,500

Well if they are up around 18000 lbs actual then here are some options...

Well if you go with Ford...you are looking at something like this...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=119237

GMC C-Series (KODIAK) C4500 is their response...

  • GVWR: 15,000-lbs. (optional on Regular Cab, Crew Cab and Commercial Cutaway models) (Click here for important details)

  • GVWR: 16,000-lbs. (optional on Commercial Cutaway and 2WD Regular Cab models) (Click here for important details)
  • GVWR: 17,500-lbs. (optional on 2WD, Motor Home and Commercial Cutaway models) (Click here for important details)

    http://www.gmfleet.com/pages/submodelOptionalEquipment/2007_Chevrolet_C-Series+(KODIAK)_C4500.jsp



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    walkin
    Reg. Jan 2005
    Posted 2007-11-18 6:18 AM (#71413 - in reply to #71335)
    Subject: RE: Torque And Horsepower, When Is It Enough??


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    No the gvwr on the truck is 19500 I think.  300 hp 860 ft lbs torque.
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    mark_4315
    Reg. Nov 2007
    Posted 2007-11-18 9:51 AM (#71423 - in reply to #71389)
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    PaulChristenson
    Reg. Jan 2007
    Posted 2007-11-18 1:34 PM (#71430 - in reply to #71413)
    Subject: RE: Torque And Horsepower, When Is It Enough??


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    Originally written by walkin on 2007-11-18 6:18 AM

    No the gvwr on the truck is 19500 I think.  300 hp 860 ft lbs torque.

    Well that can pull most most living quarter horse trailers that you'll find for sale...

    I was looking for the weight of the fully loaded trailer, because there are people who pull 18K+ with 350s and they are under trucked in some cases...

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    walkin
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    Posted 2007-11-18 2:46 PM (#71431 - in reply to #71335)
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    I hear ya.  Thanks.
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