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mrbarrelracer
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-02-02 9:32 AM (#36425)
Subject: Triton V10


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Hello all, this is my first post.I was wanting to know if anyone out there has or knows someone who has a Triton V10 in their Ford Super Duty? I'm in the market for a new truck, and I was just wondering how the towing power and gas mileage are with this motor. I know it will have plenty of power, and I would probably add on a Banks PowerPack system that would push the HP well over 400 and the torque well over 500. So I guess my main concern is the gas mileage, getting 10mpg isn't a problem, but a lot worse than that can become one. Thanks to anyone who can offer input.
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Broken Bit
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2006-02-02 11:03 AM (#36434 - in reply to #36425)
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One of our two rigs is a '01 Ford with the V10.  You are right, they have plenty of h.p. and torque!  It does like it's petrol. though.  The wagon this rig pulls is 26' on the floor- it's got sixteen ft. of stock, 4 ft. mid-tack, and 6 ft. dress.  The rig handles it fine, but is currently getting 10-13 mpg. depending on load, wind, and hills.  On the other hand it's only getting about 13 mpg. just normal runnin' around driving without the wagon!  That's where we're at with ours, now that is stock with no mods.  Not to great on fuel, but good power.
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artb42
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 12:43 PM (#36436 - in reply to #36425)
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Ditto Broken Bit. 13 "around town", 10-12 hauling depending on load and road conditions.
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slang
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2006-02-02 1:11 PM (#36439 - in reply to #36425)
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I have a 99 F 250 V-10  with 4:30 gears .

Pulls like a tank . Mileage is 11-13 mpg hooked to the trailer , or running empty . doesnt really matter

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TXAggie
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 1:22 PM (#36440 - in reply to #36425)
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Howdy & welcome to the forum! 

I have an 03' F350 dually with the Triton V10 6.8L gas engine, auto transmission, crew cab, stock components, 3.73 rear end (I think), 8' bed, 4x4.  I get about 12mpg just running around empty.  I just got a Dream Coach custom designed GN 2+1 horse trailer, about 34' total length, 8' wide.  It tows great and on level ground you'd be hard pressed to know it was back there (until you look in the rearview mirror and all you see is trailer).  Running the hills, you know it's back there, but the truck can handle it. 

For my trip from Purvis MS (where I picked up the trailer) to MD, I averaged about 6.5 MPG over the 1,000+ miles, going up and down hills on the interstates.  I improved my mileage significantly by dropping down from 70-75 MPH and keeping a steady 65 MPH.  I only put it in 'tow mode' when I was going up or down steep hills, then it was back to 'normal mode' and 60-65 MPH.

Oh yea, the cost of regular gas is significantly less than diesel, so that's one good point for the V10.

I'm thinking about getting a K&N cold air intake and replacing the stock air intake & filter.  The ads say that will increase HP & torque.  I've also considered getting one of those chip programmer units (HyperTech Power Programmer III or SuperChips Max Micro Tuner) to change the settings on the computer control chip.  Mr Truck has an article about that on his site.

One thing I have found true is you will lose significant gas mileage without saving money by using the ethyneol (?) blended gas (sold a Pilot stations and others).  I tried a tankful once, and went from 24 mpg to about 17 MPG (different car).  So I stay away from anything but 'regular' 87 octane gas.

Bottom line, I love my truck!  In a few years I may consider trading it in on a diesel if I find that it just makes more sense.  Bear in mind that I kept my original truck (GMC 1/2t) for almost 30 years before I sold it and bought this one, used.  I couldn't pass up a 2 year old F350 with less than 6,000 miles in immaculate shape for about $20,000 less than a new '05 F350 w/ diesel.  I am just under 20,000 miles total, so still kinda breaking in the engine.

Hard numbers:

211 days; 15,472 miles; $3,508 for 1,446 gals; $22.67/100 miles; averages out to 10.7 MPG overall empty & towing.

Steve

 



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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-02 1:39 PM (#36441 - in reply to #36425)
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Just to chime in...my Diesel gets around 18-19 MPG and if you are betting on 10 MPG with a gasser, then diesel is cheaper per mile.
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xyzer
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-02-02 1:59 PM (#36444 - in reply to #36441)
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Originally written by huntseat on 2006-02-02 11:39 AM

Just to chime in...my Diesel gets around 18-19 MPG and if you are betting on 10 MPG with a gasser, then diesel is cheaper per mile.

Hmmm.....not sure of the cost of the Ford options but with a Dodge the Diesel upgrade is $5500.00 over the Hemi. That puts you way ahead on the cost/milage issue....2500ish gallons of gas to burn or 25,000 miles at 10 MPG before the mileage issue becomes a factor. IMHO 



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luluwhit
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 2:20 PM (#36450 - in reply to #36425)
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hey guys!  i have been trying to swap trucks with a buddy of mine who has a 98 super duty v10 with 98k mi.  My question is what kinda top end mileage are you getting out of your v10's before you need to do some major upkeep to them.  thanks for the info! 
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-02 2:22 PM (#36451 - in reply to #36425)
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Xyzer, so you have never driven a truck for more than 25,000 miles?  You must be rich.  I have to drive mine into the ground.  Gassers last about 100K miles and diesels last more than 200K miles.
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mrbarrelracer
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-02-02 2:47 PM (#36454 - in reply to #36425)
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First of all, thanks for all the replies to my initial message.Secondly, the 25,000 miles before it makes a difference is inaccurate. Currently in WV gasoline is 2.19/gal, and diesel is 2.69/gal. With a V10 getting 10mpg, it costs .22 cents per mile to drive it, where a diesel getting 18mpg(this is empty stats right now) costs .15 cents per mile. At that rate it takes nearly 80,000 miles to pay off the $5,500 diesel motor, and you don't have to be rich to trade every 80,000 miles.Third of all, I would like to know about your thoughts on a 2wd vs. 4wd, the 3.73 vs. 410, auto vs. 6speed.And again, thanks for all the input.
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xyzer
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-02-02 3:00 PM (#36455 - in reply to #36451)
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Originally written by huntseat on 2006-02-02 12:22 PM

Xyzer, so you have never driven a truck for more than 25,000 miles?  You must be rich.  I have to drive mine into the ground.  Gassers last about 100K miles and diesels last more than 200K miles.

Actually I've done all of the above. And thats how I got rich! I know what the maitanance of a gasser vs deisel is. It was a no brainer when deisel was $.50 cheaper than gas.That is a $1.00 spread. Lets see insurance....Oil....filters.... just hope big time you don't have a real problem like an injector pump or a tubo. Don't get me wrong...I drive a deisel..and love it! But I do know gassers are cheaper to maintain, insure, and repair. If we never have a problem or fuel gets higher we win. But in my opinion there is a lot more to it than the MPG factor. 

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efaubert1
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2006-02-02 3:07 PM (#36457 - in reply to #36454)
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Originally written by mrbarrelracer on 2006-02-02 3:47 PM

First of all, thanks for all the replies to my initial message.Secondly, the 25,000 miles before it makes a difference is inaccurate. Currently in WV gasoline is 2.19/gal, and diesel is 2.69/gal. With a V10 getting 10mpg, it costs .22 cents per mile to drive it, where a diesel getting 18mpg(this is empty stats right now) costs .15 cents per mile. At that rate it takes nearly 80,000 miles to pay off the $5,500 diesel motor, and you don't have to be rich to trade every 80,000 miles.Third of all, I would like to know about your thoughts on a 2wd vs. 4wd, the 3.73 vs. 410, auto vs. 6speed.And again, thanks for all the input.

First, in Indiana right now diesel is from 2.39-2.50 w/tax and 87 octane is running 2.28-2.40. Now, as for the initial cost of the diesel, you just said you were going to put a banks kit on it. So your going to add several thousand dollars to the price of the vehicle and that brings you close to just buying the diesel option to begin with. Now, as for maintenance, the diesel IS more expensive when you need it, but you don't have as much mintenance as a gasser to begin with. Yes, oil and fuel filters, but never a spark plug. Speaking of spark plugs, that was the weak spot of the V-10, and unless they have redesigned it you might have an issue around 75k miles where the threads blow out. They apparently didn't put enough threads in the block, and there have been many instances of this happen in the last few years. Especially in heavy use vehicles. That being said, I still like the V-10, but I prefer my Powerstroke.

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xyzer
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-02-02 3:14 PM (#36458 - in reply to #36454)
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Originally written by mrbarrelracer on 2006-02-02 12:47 PM

25,000 miles before it makes a difference is inaccurate.

We are both right. I looked at it if you buy the gasser you can put the $5,500.00 in your pocket to buy gas! You figured how long I will have to drive my diesel to get back my $5500.00. I never figured it out! now I know! 

To the rest of your questions....How heavy is your load. How often will you use it. Will you use it as you would a car, town trips etc.? What is the terrain, elevation like that you will use it the most?

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mrbarrelracer
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-02-02 5:09 PM (#36463 - in reply to #36458)
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I would be pulling a 26' 4-horse, 8' LQ. Pulling would be on very mountainous roads, get down one and start right back up the other, long mountains not short hills. I would also drive it to work a couple of times a week, about 15 miles mostly flat ground.
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mrbarrelracer
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-02-02 5:21 PM (#36464 - in reply to #36457)
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Okay, sorry for going by the price of fuel here. With the prices where you are located, it would still take 55,000 miles to pay for the diesel. As for the Banks kit will add about $1000 onto the price, and that takes you to about 45,000 miles to pay for the diesel motor. If the issue with the spark plugs doesn't occur until 75,000 miles then that's fine, the truck would probably be 3-4 years old by then and be traded for a newer one. And the diesel is much more expensive to do maintence on. My current truck, a 99 F350 diesel, had 3 bad injectors, along with serveral other small problems that have cost a great amount to repair, and its downfall all started around 100,000 miles. Everyone says the diesel will be problem-free for hundreds of thousands, but I have a case that it wasn't that way. The truck now has 130,000 miles on it, and this coming spring when I start pulling every weekend to barrel races, I'm not sure it's gonna get me there. But I've said my spill.And I wish diesel would get back to being .50 cents less than 87 like it should be, easier and cheaper to make, should be cheaper for us to buy!!
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 5:49 PM (#36465 - in reply to #36425)
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I have a 99 with a 5 speed, 152,000 + miles. I get 16-17 mpg cruising up to 70mph, over 70 my mpg drops off. Towing I get 13-14 mpg motoring along at 70mph, across Wyoming on I80. I wouldn't be afraid to drive it anywhere. I bought a power chip for it, and a cold air intake kit, cost about $400. I ported and polished the intake, ported the exhaust myself, and installed a high flow exhaust system myself, cost <$200.  

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Kansashoss
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 7:15 PM (#36468 - in reply to #36425)
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I drive a '99 F250/SD V-10 auto and it's fabulous.   I bought it used w/ 15K on it back in '01.  It is just 2 wheel drive and I did get stuck once driving into a soft, muddy fairground lot.  Since then I pay close attention to where I turn into for parking.     My milage is much like the others, 10-12 when hauling and 15-17 on the highway sans trailer.  In town it drops back down but hey, it's just money!

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iCE CRM
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 8:30 PM (#36469 - in reply to #36468)
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You were talking about how much cheaper this truck is that you bought and when you get ready to sell it  it won't be worth near as much as a deisel either you may have to have a shot of penicilin to get rid of it. But if you are planning to keep it a long  time you can come out pretty good.
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xyzer
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-02-02 9:17 PM (#36474 - in reply to #36463)
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Originally written by mrbarrelracer on 2006-02-02 5:09 PM

I would be pulling a 26' 4-horse, 8' LQ. Pulling would be on very mountainous roads, get down one and start right back up the other, long mountains not short hills. I would also drive it to work a couple of times a week, about 15 miles mostly flat ground.


I would tend to lean with a set of 4:10's on a gasser if you don't plan on straying from the terrain you described. Gassers are more RPM friendly and it would make it a real stump puller...If you think you might be doing some long hauls cross country more flatland towing then maybe 3:73's. Whatever the choice you have to live with it! Maybe go to a Ford truck site and ask around... I'm not up on the Ford trannies..but they are both rated to deal with the claimed tow rating. I would get what I prefered. It sounds like you would be doing lots of shifting with a manual! I basicly prefer a manual..but the town driving got to my bad knee..went to the auto and never looked back. 4X4...YES! Just my opinion...2WD pickups are almost worthless on wet grass or any poor traction but they usually have a higher tow rating. But if it was just a tow rig and I was real careful...a 2WD would be fine. Another one of those choices we have to make and live with....LOL! Good luck mrbarrelracer!

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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-02-02 9:19 PM (#36475 - in reply to #36425)
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I am not a big debater on gas vs diesel, heck I don't know a whole lot about trucks other than I drive two ..one is gas the other is diesel.  I have to say the diesel is my choice.  As far as how many miles you put on them before nickel and diming, major repairs, I would say way over 200,000 with the diesels, I might add the diesel I drive is a F350 Class III Ambulance.  The rig I drive has over 355,000 miles on and let me tell you, ambulances have the same motors as the 1ton trucks.  Yet we do FAR more abuse than any 1 ton does hauling horses around.  I am definitely trading my Ram 1500 in on a Diesel 3/4 ton truck.  Preferrably Ford!!!  Thank you guys for the education on fuel mileage, etc.  I don't understand half of what I read...lol... but I do know the maintenance schedule on my ambulance and I have talked to the mechanic at work.  If a vehicle is maintained properly (routine oil changes, etc) it can last a long time, the same as you treat your horse.  Regular maintenance makes the difference.  Ok.. I will go back to lurking now..
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-03 12:51 PM (#36502 - in reply to #36425)
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Mountains are your main issue with getting good mileage outta that gas engine.  I think you'll be well under 10MPG on mountains if most folks are getting that towing flat.

I used to tow with a gasser and big hills KILLED the mileage, like cut it in HALF!

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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2006-02-03 10:16 PM (#36527 - in reply to #36440)
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Y'alls mileage isn't too bad.  I was getting 12-13 with my '91 F-350 diesel at 70-80mph with the horse trailer; 30' gooseneck at 10,000 pounds.

Next time I tow, it will be interesting to see how mileage improves when I slow down a bit.  On the hills, believe me, I was I had a newer V-10 or diesel.  If I were buying now, and the truck HAD to be a Ford, I'd buy the V-10 over the 6 liter diesel.  Especially with the towing mileage y'all are getting vs the towing mileage of the new 6.0 and diesel fuel prices.

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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2006-02-03 10:18 PM (#36528 - in reply to #36441)
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Let's compare towing mileage of the gasser vs towing mileage of the diesel.  They seem pretty close to me from what I've read here.

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Posted 2006-02-03 10:21 PM (#36529 - in reply to #36454)
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Originally written by mrbarrelracer on 2006-02-02 2:47 PM

First of all, thanks for all the replies to my initial message.Secondly, the 25,000 miles before it makes a difference is inaccurate. Currently in WV gasoline is 2.19/gal, and diesel is 2.69/gal. With a V10 getting 10mpg, it costs .22 cents per mile to drive it, where a diesel getting 18mpg(this is empty stats right now) costs .15 cents per mile. At that rate it takes nearly 80,000 miles to pay off the $5,500 diesel motor, and you don't have to be rich to trade every 80,000 miles.Third of all, I would like to know about your thoughts on a 2wd vs. 4wd, the 3.73 vs. 410, auto vs. 6speed.And again, thanks for all the input.

 

Just wait till you start having to pay to keep that diesel on the road.  THEN you'll appreciate that gasser.  I can't believe how expensive diesels have become to operate/maintain.  Parts for my '91 Ford IDI diesel are affordable.   couldn't afford to own a new diesel truck once the warranty ran out.  Besides, with the enviro-freaks on patrol now, they've screwed up diesel engines big time with EGR.  Durability and fuel mileage of diesels are not much, much less than they used to be.  Soot being redirected back into the engine is not good for engine longevity.  Dirtier oil full of abrasive soot.  Bad stuff.

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-02-04 3:56 PM (#36552 - in reply to #36425)
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Know a horsehauler with one pulling a 4 horse alum trailer.He said 9 mpg.Says pulls good.Get a diesel.Better resell and pulls better at LOWER RPM.Last longer,lower under hood engine heat etc. etc.
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