Posted 2010-10-03 8:20 AM (#125415) Subject: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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Hey folks am hoping for help (once again). I have a 2006 Dodge 2500 4X4 short bed quad cab and just purchased a 16' featherlite stock trailer, 7' high. Have years of hauling experience, but don't want to jump to any conclusions without "asking the experts" here.
My trailer is giving me white knuckles. When hauling (seems more pronounced empty) on the highway, its moves the truck around and I don't feel like I have adequate steering capability (and I wouldn't hit the brakes) at that time. Because of this I haven't tried it on the highway loaded down with four horses (just got the trailera couple of months ago). Have been using it for short local trips. When I put two horses in it and head down the highway for a short stretch I have to keep my speed under 50. I haul about three times a week.
Have had a weight distribution hitch in the past; don't love the extra job putting it on each time. Not interested in trading or selling my truck. Would consider trading the trailer for a gooseneck (already have the gooseneck hitch) and I know the truck does just fine with a similar length gooseneck trailer (have a 2 horse four star with 4' short wall - about the same floor length).
Any input as to why, or whether weight distribution is my only option, would be appreciated. Is it my truck?
Posted 2010-10-03 8:44 AM (#125417 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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It sounds as if you do not have enough tongue weight on the hitch, or, you may have too much. Either will cause the trailer to sway. However, because you have the symptoms when running empty, I would say it has too little weight on the hitch.
If your trailer is a BP four horse, the axles are probably forward a bit, to reduce the amount of weight on the hitch when it's fully loaded. This can give you the symptoms you are experiencing when it's empty. You can measure the tongue weight when the trailer is empty, and see if it is at least a few hundred pounds.
If it doesn't, I would try putting some extra weight in the front of the dressing room, several hundred pounds to start, and see if the trailer pulls any differently. If you notice a positive difference, you're on your way to fix the problem.
Posted 2010-10-03 3:43 PM (#125424 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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I would check everything from tire pressure and making sure all tires are the same size. Does it look fairly level when sitting? If your truck is too high this could also be an issue.
Posted 2010-10-04 7:07 AM (#125439 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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Thanks all for the good advice. Have four new trailer tires on the trailer, and it sits level with the truck. I will try determining tongue weight and see what that tells me. I pulled it yesterday with two horses on the highway for a little ways, and it felt fine. So, maybe its too little tongue weight sometimes and, when I have four horses aboard, too much tongue weight some other times? Also, I read somewhere that truck springs are longer now in some trucks and perhaps my truck has longer/weaker springs...? Am visiting this post for help, as my S.O. tells me I need stabilizer bars installed on my truck. He said that about my last truck, and it didn't accomplish anything. I don't want to waste money on this truck, too...
Posted 2010-10-04 8:20 AM (#125443 - in reply to #125439) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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It's got nothing to do with having, or not having stabilizer bars. More to do with the how the trailer is built, and maybe to a minor degree sidewall flex on the truck tire.
Posted 2010-10-04 8:32 AM (#125444 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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Figured as much. Thanks. I am going to do some research on the new tires and see if I got stuck there. As I recall, I had no problem hauling it home empty on the old tires, but they were dry rotted. Thanks for all the input.
Posted 2010-10-04 3:52 PM (#125458 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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I would say that if your checking into new tires; stay with more of a highway type truck tire instead of off road tires, which in most cases will have a soft side walls to them. We have several customers that have experienced what you have pulling trailers with off road tires. Bottom line: spongy sidewalls
Posted 2010-10-04 3:56 PM (#125459 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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What's nice is that so far no one has suggested my truck is the problem. The trailer, I can fix or sell. I sure don't want to part with the truck. Thanks.
Posted 2010-10-05 1:50 PM (#125489 - in reply to #125459) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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Originally written by evallone on 2010-10-04 3:56 PM
What's nice is that so far no one has suggested my truck is the problem. The trailer, I can fix or sell. I sure don't want to part with the truck. Thanks.
Well I will..... Check your hitch, bolts, and everything. You should have MORE than enough truck to handle that trailer loaded or unloaded. Plus you should have more of a problem once you add weight to the trailer, not while unloaded.
Start with making sure ALL of the tires have enough air and ALL lug nuts are tight (truck and trailer), then check out your hitch and all related parts to the hitch, ball and even the pin holding the receiver in the truck. Also check the coupler on the trailer.
With all of this said, I would have to think your tires are UNDER inflated on truck and trailer both.
I noticed you said the trailer had new tires, if so make sure you did not get passenger car tires, this will also cause this issue.
Posted 2010-10-05 1:57 PM (#125490 - in reply to #125415) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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I did get good trailer tires from a reputable place nearby and they matched the load range of the factory tires. Did check all tires were good for air - all inflated at the top of their rating. Will go about checking all other components to be sure. They are all factory but never hurts to look it all over. No lug nuts loose anywhere, for sure. Thanks.
Posted 2010-10-09 12:41 AM (#125606 - in reply to #125598) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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Posts: 1351 Location: Decatur, Texas
Originally written by evallone on 2010-10-08 6:32 PM
Tires are Westlake Steel Belted Radial Super ST225/R15
My opinion you do not have enough tire for that trailer. But still not understanding why you are seeing more of a problem unloaded..... What size axles does this trailer have? 5 or 6 lug?
Posted 2010-10-09 4:13 PM (#125619 - in reply to #125439) Subject: RE: Trailer Waving in th Breeze
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Originally written by evallone on 2010-10-04 8:07 AM
Thanks all for the good advice. Have four new trailer tires on the trailer, and it sits level with the truck. I will try determining tongue weight and see what that tells me. I pulled it yesterday with two horses on the highway for a little ways, and it felt fine. So, maybe its too little tongue weight sometimes and, when I have four horses aboard, too much tongue weight some other times? Also, I read somewhere that truck springs are longer now in some trucks and perhaps my truck has longer/weaker springs...? Am visiting this post for help, as my S.O. tells me I need stabilizer bars installed on my truck. He said that about my last truck, and it didn't accomplish anything. I don't want to waste money on this truck, too...
Here is a cheap way to determine tongue weight... http://www.rverscorner.com/tongueweight.html when the trailer is sitting level is the truck ALSO sitting level?...If not, then you need a WDH...