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Ard Righ
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-09-29 1:14 PM (#111238)
Subject: Torque Wrench Suggestions


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Any suggestions as to what is the best torque wrench I should buy for tightening lugnuts, etc?? 
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apex6000
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-09-29 3:00 PM (#111243 - in reply to #111238)
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Depends on how much you want to spend and how accurate you want it. I've got Snap-on Digitals thats suppose to be +- 1 percent accurate but it cost around 400-500. Clickers I think are around +- 3 percent accurate and priced from 100-300. The old beam torque wrenches (ones with the rod that go from the head down to the handle that point to a chart) are cheap but accuracy could be anything. Then add in the quality of the manufacter. If its ever been abused and how old it is. A good qaulity (Snap-on, Mac or Proto) clicker would probably be my choice. German torque (Goodintight) is probably as as accurate as a beam. Just my 2 cents worth..
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-09-29 4:58 PM (#111251 - in reply to #111243)
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Originally written by apex6000 on 2009-09-29 4:00 PM

A good qaulity (Snap-on, Mac or Proto) clicker would probably be my choice.

I like the " clickers" as well. With a ratcheting head, and no need to look at the final reading, they are quick and easy to use, and will always give the same reading. The little bump in the handle when the appropriate torque is reached and the audible noise, assures that the torque has been satisfied. The rotary torque reading dials on the head are easy to set and lock. They work well in both open and confined spaces, and excel in the latter.

Gard



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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2009-09-30 1:28 AM (#111264 - in reply to #111238)
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I'm lazy...

I use an air gun and a torqstik...

http://www.torqstik.com/



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brew26
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-09-30 8:45 AM (#111266 - in reply to #111238)
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I have a bad habbit of just putting my lug nuts and what not on until they don't turn anymore. But when I have used torque wrenchs I used a snap-on and it was really nice.
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laurie
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2009-10-02 7:07 PM (#111386 - in reply to #111264)
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Torksticks are very inaccurate. My mechanic didn't believe me until he warped the rotors on my truck and had to fix it. Now he torques by hand. Every time I go somewhere for service I request it to be done by hand and they comment more and more that they do not use torque sticks because of rotor warping.

I bought my torque wrench at a pawn shop

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-10-02 7:20 PM (#111388 - in reply to #111264)
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2009-09-30 2:28 AM

I'm lazy...

I use an air gun and a torqstik...

They're hard to use when you run out of air hose. They also don't work on the smaller inch/pound settings

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MrTruck
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-10-06 10:26 PM (#111520 - in reply to #111238)
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I get mine at Harbor Freight for around $10, good idea to have one under your seat with aluminum wheels.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2009-10-07 2:46 AM (#111524 - in reply to #111386)
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Originally written by laurie on 2009-10-02 8:07 PM

Torksticks are very inaccurate. My mechanic didn't believe me until he warped the rotors on my truck and had to fix it. Now he torques by hand. Every time I go somewhere for service I request it to be done by hand and they comment more and more that they do not use torque sticks because of rotor warping.

I bought my torque wrench at a pawn shop

When was the last time you had your torque wrench calibrated??

Craftsman's lifetime guarantee on hand tools does NOT apply to torque wrenchs...

Gee if your rotors are being warped by an airgun...how do you suppose a NASCAR vehicle doesn't end up with warped rotors after all those pit stops?

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MrTruck
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-10-07 3:10 AM (#111525 - in reply to #111238)
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I zip my lug nuts off with air, but just snug them on with air and then the torque wrench. I have two studs on my trailer that are stripped now from the local tire shop almost fixing the slow leaks on my trailer. It's a wonder we can even change tires on the side of the road after they have been impacted over 100 psi. I have the twisted star wrenches to prove it.
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laurie
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2009-10-07 7:15 AM (#111530 - in reply to #111524)
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2009-10-07 2:46 AM

Originally written by laurie on 2009-10-02 8:07 PM

Torksticks are very inaccurate. My mechanic didn't believe me until he warped the rotors on my truck and had to fix it. Now he torques by hand. Every time I go somewhere for service I request it to be done by hand and they comment more and more that they do not use torque sticks because of rotor warping.

I bought my torque wrench at a pawn shop

When was the last time you had your torque wrench calibrated??

Craftsman's lifetime guarantee on hand tools does NOT apply to torque wrenchs...

Gee if your rotors are being warped by an airgun...how do you suppose a NASCAR vehicle doesn't end up with warped rotors after all those pit stops?



Well I never had a torkstick calibrated since I do not have one so not sure if you meant to say that instead of torque wrench.

I also do not own a race car I don't know if it warps the rotors but if I did own a race car I would be more concerned about my speed and a few quick pit stops I could put up with a little warpage until the race was over. With all the tire changes it wouldn't suprise me if they didn't change or turn rotors after the race. I doubt if there are any Nascar racers on the horse forums but if so please let us no if the torksticks affect the rotors.

Anyway every one will have good and bad experiences I am sure.

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2009-10-09 12:37 AM (#111664 - in reply to #111238)
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The more a Torque wrench is used the sooner it will need to be calibrated...
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-10-09 8:58 AM (#111673 - in reply to #111238)
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Per federal rules, we had to have our torque wrenches calibrated every thirty days. Even though ours were used daily by many different mechanics, and less than gently on the line, we never had one that was not within specs during inspection. The only routine maintenance issue, was the proper lubrication for the ratcheting systems, not the click release for the torque values. The only one I know of that was replaced, was irreparably damaged when during a tire change, it was run over by a push back tug.

Our torque wrenches ranged in value from a few inch/lbs to 650 ft/lbs, and physical lengths of ten inches to five feet.

Gard

 

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2009-10-11 12:07 PM (#111734 - in reply to #111386)
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Originally written by laurie on 2009-10-02 11:07 PM

Torksticks are very inaccurate. My mechanic didn't believe me until he warped the rotors on my truck and had to fix it. Now he torques by hand. Every time I go somewhere for service I request it to be done by hand and they comment more and more that they do not use torque sticks because of rotor warping.

I bought my torque wrench at a pawn shop

 

Torque Sticks are not inaccurate. I have used them before and have two that I used when i was a automotive technician. You do have to check behind them from time to time with a Torque wrench, if they get out of spec. you throw them away. I have never had an issue with warping a rotor from using them. It's the people that don't use anything and just jam the nut on as tight as they can get it that have problems. By the way, this only affects vehicles with floating rotors.

 



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laurie
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2009-10-11 1:45 PM (#111737 - in reply to #111734)
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Originally written by Spooler on 2009-10-11 12:07 PM

Originally written by laurie on 2009-10-02 11:07 PM

Torksticks are very inaccurate. My mechanic didn't believe me until he warped the rotors on my truck and had to fix it. Now he torques by hand. Every time I go somewhere for service I request it to be done by hand and they comment more and more that they do not use torque sticks because of rotor warping.

I bought my torque wrench at a pawn shop

 

Torque Sticks are not inaccurate. I have used them before and have two that I used when i was a automotive technician. You do have to check behind them from time to time with a Torque wrench, if they get out of spec. you throw them away. I have never had an issue with warping a rotor from using them. It's the people that don't use anything and just jam the nut on as tight as they can get it that have problems. By the way, this only affects vehicles with floating rotors.

 



When they are out of spec then they would be inaccurate. When you decide it's time to check them you haven't any idea when they got out of spec.


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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2009-10-12 9:18 PM (#111785 - in reply to #111238)
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I would check mine all the time. But, they were mine and nobody else used them. They still look new also...LOL Guess I am just different then most folks.

Torque wrench's have to be calibrated also (checked). Like was said above, the more you use them, the more they have to be checked.



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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2009-10-13 2:10 AM (#111790 - in reply to #111238)
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Too large a trailer for the truck can warp those rotors as well...

Warping

Warping is often caused by excessive heat. When the disc's friction area is at a substantially higher temperature than the inner portion (hat) the thermal expansion of the friction area is greater than the inner portion and warping occurs. This can be minimized by using "floating" rotors which decouple the friction area from the inner portion and allow thermal expansion to occur at different rates. Primary causes of overheating include undersized or excessively machined brake discs, excessive braking (racing, descending hills/mountains), "riding" the brakes, or a "stuck" brake pad (pad contacts the disc at all times).

Measuring warping is accomplished using a dial indicator on a fixed rigid base, with the tip perpendicular to the brake rotor's face. It is typically measured about 1/2" (12 mm) from the outside diameter of the rotor. The rotor is spun. The difference between minimum and maximum value on the dial is called lateral runout. Typical hub/rotor assembly runout specifications for passenger vehicles are around 0.0020" or 50 micrometres. Runout can be caused either by deformation of the disc itself or by runout in the underlying wheel hub face or by contamination between the rotor surface and the underlying hub mounting surface. Determining the root cause of the indicator displacement (lateral runout) requires disassembly of the rotor from the hub. Rotor face runout due to hub face runout or contamination will typically have a period of 1 minimum and 1 maximum per revolution of the brake rotor.

Another cause of warping is when the disc is overheated and the vehicle is stopped with the brakes continuously applied. In such a case, the area where the pads are in contact with the disc will cause uneven cooling and lead to warping.

Incorrect fitting also leads to many cases of warping; the disc's retaining bolts (or the wheel/lug nuts, if the disc is simply sandwiched in place by the wheel, as on many cars) must be tightened progressively and evenly. The use of air tools to fasten lug nuts is extremely bad practice, unless a torque tube is also used. The vehicle manual will indicate the proper pattern for tightening as well as a torque rating for the bolts. Lug nuts should never be tightened in a circle. Some vehicles are sensitive to the force the bolts apply and tightening should be done with a torque wrench.

Several methods can be used to avoid overheating brake discs. Use of a lower gear when descending steep grades to obtain engine braking will reduce the brake loading. Also, operating the brakes intermittently - braking to slower speed for a brief time then coasting will allow the brake material to cool between applications. Riding the brakes lightly will generate a great amount of heat with little braking effect and should be avoided. High temperature conditions as found in automobile racing can be dealt with by proper pad selection, but at the tradeoff of everyday driveability. Pads that can take high heat usually do best when hot and will have reduced braking force when cold. Also, high heat pads typically have more aggressive compounds and will wear discs down more quickly. Brake ducting that forces air directly onto the brake discs, common in motorsports, is highly effective at preventing brake overheating. This is also useful for cars that are driven both in motorsports and on the street, as it has no negative effect on driveability. A further extension of this method is to install a system which mists the discs with water. Jaguar has reported great reductions in disc temperatures with such a system.

Warping will often lead to a thickness variation of the disc. If it has runout, a thin spot will develop by the repetitive contact of the pad against the high spot as the disc turns. When the thin section of the disc passes under the pads, the pads move together and the brake pedal will drop slightly. When the thicker section of the disc passes between the pads, the pads will move apart and the brake pedal will raise slightly; this is pedal pulsation. The thickness variation can be felt by the driver when it is approximately 0.17 mm or greater (on automobile rotors).

Not all pedal pulsation is due to warped discs. Brake pad material operating outside of its designed temperature range can leave a thicker than normal deposit in one area of the disc surface, creating run-out due to a "sticky" or "hotspot" that will grab with every revolution of the disc.[7] Grease or other foreign materials can create a slippery spot on the disc, also creating pulsation.

Rotors can be machined to eliminate thickness variation and lateral runout. Machining can be done in-situ (on-car) or off-car (bench lathe). Both methods will eliminate thickness variation. Machining on-car with proper equipment can also eliminate lateral runout due to hub-face non-perpendicularity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_brake



Edited by PaulChristenson 2009-10-13 2:14 AM
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