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Location: CROSSROADS | Virtually Every Truck Wash in America Uses Hydrofluoric Acid to Brighten Aluminum:HF is the most traditional way of brightening aluminum and the truck washes continue to use this product because it is cheap and effective. My concern today is that people are still taking their horse and livestock trailers to the truck washes. How can that be safe for the animals that travel in these trailers? Are you putting your horses and livestock at risk? After reading some of this information about HF acid, hopefully you will find safer alternatives than truck washes for cleaning and brightening your trailers. Pressure washers are used at the truck washes which gets solutions into the cracks and crannies of your trailer. Now how much residue of HF is left behind? And for those that have been doing this for years and stating that it has never caused any problems, well that is what a lot of cigarette smokers say also. Please take this warning serious and go out and do your own research on the dangers of Hydrofluoric Acid.How dangerous is HF?Hydrofluoric acid is extremely potent and dangerous. It can penetrate thick, calloused skin and even fingernails, causing extensive skin burns and scarring. A major exposure to concentrated HF can bind the body's calcium stores from the bones, causing seizures, bone destruction and death. Inhaling HF fumes can lead to pneumonia. A splash of HF in the eyes can cause destruction of the eye tissues and blindness. These are just some of the dangers of this highly poisonous solution. The internet is full of government and university web sites that will tell you the truth about HF concerns and why staying away from this poison is your best bet.There are safer solutions to cleaning and brightening your trailer that work just as well as (Hydrofluoric Acid) without the poisonous concerns to you and your animals. This is not a debate, these are facts.Hopefully this article will enlighten those to the dangers of the chemicals used by the truck washes. |
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Location: TN | Never heard of this before and how many of us wash our trailers this way? Can't say I've really seen horses dropping over dead from it. Or people! And I suppose your product poses no risk whatsoever?
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Location: CROSSROADS | Originally written by cutter99 on 2011-06-07 12:36 PM Never heard of this before and how many of us wash our trailers this way? Can't say I've really seen horses dropping over dead from it. Or people! And I suppose your product poses no risk whatsoever? |
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Location: Virginia | I am always suspect of someone who bashes their competitor's products. It comes across like a sleazy used car salesman. BTW - when your username and signature line are the name of the product you are selling, YES, you are trying to sell us your product. Take out an ad and quit bashing your competition. (As a consumer, I would want to know why your product is good, not why someone else's is not). Every product has its appropriate application - even ones with a potential to be harmful. |
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | He does have an ad with us. 
I did a google search on "hydrofluoric acid" and it's nasty stuff. It's even listed as potential chemical agent for terrorism. Greg's been around for years and is in the business of cleaning trailers so it's not surprising he knows about it. I think it's a good thing to know - and I didn't want to keep this information from the public at large just because Streakmaster and other similar products compete with a a widely used process that uses dangerous acid. If anyone can give us further information about this please do. We are learning alot about products that take years to kill us we didn't know before . . . like asbestos, lead paint, and . . . . soft drinks, I'm told. pssst. are you going to eat that Twinkie? |
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Location: Valentine, NE | I can attest to this causing a problem. Several years ago, we had a bunch (150+) of feeder cattle have severe foot problems. As they all came from the same sale barn and hauled on 2 trucks at the same time, we got to do some digging. The only thing we could assume what happend was that it appeared that the trucks were just acidized on the outside before they loaded the cattle. Apparently, the acid was shot thru the side openings into the livestock compartments of the pots as they washed the outside. On the 16 hour truck ride, the acid burnt their feet. Needless to say, it was a mess. Several had to put down. Have acidized the outside of the trailers (making sure all doors/windows/vents shut), but will not ever do the inside unless I do an extra rinse or 2 before I put a horse in. With mats pulled when they clean the floot, shouldn't have a problem but?? Most truck washes that I have been thru will not do the inside anyway. |
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Location: Virginia | Dave - thanks for letting me know that Streak Master does have an ad. Streak Master - perhaps your concerns about HF acid would have been more effective if your very first posting hadn't been so negative - yes, lots of people look at the number of posts and the date you joined. When you stand to financially gain by bashing others, the message frequently gets lost. As there are legitimate uses for HF acid, a couple of links to the websites you mention would be better received. For example, you talk about 'this article' - where can I find it? My current job is in market research and effective marketing and sales, so I am more sensitive to this stuff. :-) In the interest of full disclosure - I use Streak Master products...... |
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Location: Water Vally, Alberta, Cdn | Pinkmouse, I think you are being overly critical. It did not come across as bashing anyone elses product to me, merely as something to think about. JMO |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Originally written by canadianguy on 2011-06-07 7:05 PM
Pinkmouse, I think you are being overly critical. It did not come across as bashing anyone elses product to me, merely as something to think about. JMO Yeah, merely something to think about from somebody that offers a competing product. |
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| Originally written by canadianguy on 2011-06-07 7:05 PM
Pinkmouse, I think you are being overly critical. It did not come across as bashing anyone elses product to me, merely as something to think about. JMO
I disagree, I think the orginal post was a Chicken Little post, the sky is falling.....the sky is falling!
My understanding is that Streak Master is also a mild acid and has risks associated with it's use. If the OP wanted to perform a public service maybe they should have pointed out those concerns also or be upfront and said I sell Streak Master and here is why I think it's superior to an acid wash. |
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Location: Ohio | I have no vested interest in either streak master or truck washes, but for heavens sake people, be thankful for the information presented and move on, or just simply move on.
He wasn't on here going "HF acid is bad BUY STREAK MASTER because its better!" If we can be honest with ourselves, if he would've come on here under a different name that expressed no affiliation with a "competitor" most of us would have left it alone.
There are other trailer dealers and such that do say "buy my product!" on every post they make which may have left a bad taste in some of your mouths. Who knows.
For whatever reason, people on this forum have started to flame and create drama where it is/was not warranted.
I am thankful that there is someone in the business of aluminum washes is willing to share some knowledge about some of the more harmful products to our animals. Whether or not you have experienced problems, doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't know what could cause future issues.
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Originally written by Spin Doctor on 2011-06-07 4:28 PM
I can attest to this causing a problem. Several years ago, we had a bunch (150+) of feeder cattle have severe foot problems. As they all came from the same sale barn and hauled on 2 trucks at the same time, we got to do some digging. The only thing we could assume what happend was that it appeared that the trucks were just acidized on the outside before they loaded the cattle. Apparently, the acid was shot thru the side openings into the livestock compartments of the pots as they washed the outside. On the 16 hour truck ride, the acid burnt their feet. Needless to say, it was a mess. Several had to put down. Have acidized the outside of the trailers (making sure all doors/windows/vents shut), but will not ever do the inside unless I do an extra rinse or 2 before I put a horse in. With mats pulled when they clean the floot, shouldn't have a problem but?? Most truck washes that I have been thru will not do the inside anyway. Oh those poor cows.... |
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Location: Water Vally, Alberta, Cdn | Originally written by GRNMCHNEDAZE on 2011-06-08 8:24 AM
I have no vested interest in either streak master or truck washes, but for heavens sake people, be thankful for the information presented and move on, or just simply move on. He wasn't on here going "HF acid is bad BUY STREAK MASTER because its better!" If we can be honest with ourselves, if he would've come on here under a different name that expressed no affiliation with a "competitor" most of us would have left it alone. There are other trailer dealers and such that do say "buy my product!" on every post they make which may have left a bad taste in some of your mouths. Who knows. For whatever reason, people on this forum have started to flame and create drama where it is/was not warranted. I am thankful that there is someone in the business of aluminum washes is willing to share some knowledge about some of the more harmful products to our animals. Whether or not you have experienced problems, doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't know what could cause future issues. Now you know. Well said. |
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Location: Central Arkansas | I had heard about the dangers of acid washing quite a while ago. I switched over to the Citrus wash , right after they came out with it, if I have a emergency "get it done now moment". I never get the trailer washed with animals in it. And, I always close all the windows up tight. I get my rigs detailed by hand several times a year and just spray them off with a pressure washer at home in between. Most large horse shows have a mobile trailer detailer running around the grounds. |
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Location: NY | If we stop everybody for posting information them we will live in the dark ages and that could be very bad. Like any information on the Internet , it could be good or bad It is up to the person reading it to look in to if it is there wont to think about doing |
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| I'd like to say that this isn't the first go-round that Greg Waltrip of Streakmaster has had with HTW posters.The bashing that he was accused of doing was turned around and HE became the one that was being bashed,just because of his thread which he had a right to come on here and create.Case in point: Dave commented favorably about it. I remember the first time he took out his ad and made a post on here about it.He got all kinds of ugly remarks thrown back at him,accusations that he was not a "chemist" so,what right did he have to try to sell a product that he was expected to cite the exact chemical compounds down to the last ion? He stayed with HTW and continued to make and sell his products. Everyone has the right to use what they want to on their trailers,and,not eveyone is set up to wash their own trailer nor are they able.I've tried both,truck washes,and,Streakmaster.Granted,it's a lot easier to pull through a truck wash.i'll admit that.But I know what happened when I got my trailer home afterward.The acid was not completely rinsed from around the lights,fittings,crevices,rooftop,etc and,after the trip,it had run in streaks down the sides of the trailer.I was not able to get those streaks off,and had to replace some marker lamps. I use Streakmaster,granted,it's tantamount to washing a Greyhound bus if you have large trailers.I have 3 aluminum trailers,and,for the investment in them that I have,I'd rather tend to my own "acid" washing of them.It's a good product,all 3 of the products that his company sells are good,I use them,have used them for a while,and,plan to continue to because THEY WORK. Congratulations,Greg.You survived another one. PS: that's not his first posting or first time to be a member,either.I think he bowed off the forum after the first onslaught,and,believe me,some of the comments were pretty rough.So I don't blame him for being absent for a while.
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Location: Virginia | I'd like to say that this isn't the first go-round that Greg Waltrip of Streakmaster has had with HTW posters.The bashing that he was accused of doing was turned around and HE became the one that was being bashed,just because of his thread which he had a right to come on here and create.Case in point: Dave commented favorably about it.Nobody said that he did not have the right to post on this board. This is not a case in point: Dave is a smart businessman - he should respond favorably to his paying advertiser.I remember the first time he took out his ad and made a post on here about it.He got all kinds of ugly remarks thrown back at him,accusations that he was not a "chemist" so,what right did he have to try to sell a product that he was expected to cite the exact chemical compounds down to the last ion? He stayed with HTW and continued to make and sell his products.Apparently he did not learn from his first posting that he should try a different approach.Everyone has the right to use what they want to on their trailers,and,not eveyone is set up to wash their own trailer nor are they able.I've tried both,truck washes,and,Streakmaster.Granted,it's a lot easier to pull through a truck wash.i'll admit that.But I know what happened when I got my trailer home afterward.The acid was not completely rinsed from around the lights,fittings,crevices,rooftop,etc and,after the trip,it had run in streaks down the sides of the trailer.I was not able to get those streaks off,and had to replace some marker lamps.I use Streakmaster,granted,it's tantamount to washing a Greyhound bus if you have large trailers.I have 3 aluminum trailers,and,for the investment in them that I have,I'd rather tend to my own "acid" washing of them.It's a good product,all 3 of the products that his company sells are good,I use them,have used them for a while,and,plan to continue to because THEY WORK.Nobody said that you did not have the right to use what product you want.Congratulations,Greg.You survived another one.This comment makes no sense - what exactly did he survive? No one threatened him. He just came across as a sleezy used car salesman. Most of us read this board for unbiased opinion - not input from someone who stands to make a profit from switching to their product. PS: that's not his first posting or first time to be a member,either.I think he bowed off the forum after the first onslaught,and,believe me,some of the comments were pretty rough.So I don't blame him for being absent for a while. As I stated above, Greg needs to learn a different approach if he would like to have a more positive response next time. I would be more than happy to coach him - it's part of what I currently do for a living.
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Location: lakewood, Wa | Apparently this is some bad stuff because the CAR wash by my house is now not using it. So it is not just used in washing trailers. It is also bad for the environment so it is a good thing to get rid of!!! |
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| I think pinkmouse needs to take a step back and re-read the posting from streakmaster that started this forum. There was no “sleazy used car salesman” but a gentleman that asked you query the chemical in question. It appears instead of doing just that you chose to attack. I would suggest before sticking your foot in your mouth again JMO investigate the statement(s) and then make a rebuttal if one is required. I for one don’t believe from the above statements he needs your coaching when doing another posting. Greg thank you for your information it only drives my wife and myself do so more research. |
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Location: Virginia | califhorseman - if you read crowleyridgegirl's post, you would see that Greg's postings are not well received. I stand by my comment that he needs to change his approach....'nuff said |
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Location: Vermont | This pretty much sums up the use of HF as a wash materialhttp://www.carwash.org/operatorinformation/SafetyResources/Pages/positionontheUseofHydroflouricAcidIntheCarWashIndustry.aspx |
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| Pinkmouse so I went back and re-read crowleyridgegirl's posting and it stated past postings. I think once again if you review the posting and do the math (percentage) you will find it this time others are not bashing him for the posting. Thanks Paul for the link |
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Location: Ohio | Originally written by califhorseman on 2011-06-10 10:53 PM
I think pinkmouse needs to take a step back and re-read the posting from streakmaster that started this forum. There was no “sleazy used car salesman” but a gentleman that asked you query the chemical in question. It appears instead of doing just that you chose to attack. I would suggest before sticking your foot in your mouth again JMO investigate the statement(s) and then make a rebuttal if one is required. I for one don’t believe from the above statements he needs your coaching when doing another posting. Greg thank you for your information it only drives my wife and myself do so more research. Well said. I agree 110%. |
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Location: Virginia | And I agree with cutter99, blackcows and wyndancer 100% (on this current posting). These are just opinions people - none of us are 'right' or 'wrong'. We all read things differently and the one thing consistent about Greg's postings (according to crowleysridgegirl) is that all of his postings(past and present)stir things up. If those are the type of responses he is looking for, I'm sure he will use the same approach again. On the other hand, if he wants a different response, something is going to have to change - imo.On a more positive note, I am going to take this to our next marketing and sales meeting so that we can have a lively discussion about it and ensure that any 'informational' messages we send out promote a positive image of our brand. The last thing we would want to do is have our potential customers taking sides against each other - the initial message gets lost. |
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Location: Ohio | No, it was you that stirred things up by jumping down somebody's virtual throat. Did you know about the ill effects of HF acid before this post? I didn't--nor did I know about truck stops using it or even car washes.
Like I stated before--if you can't be thankful for the information presented, then move on. The flaming and drama is quite annoying.
I'm not so sure printing this out and taking it to your next meeting would be the best idea for you. Since you expressed that everyone interprets it differently, your colleagues may see it as mere information instead of a way to drum up his business (since there was no mention of streak master in the entire post, or why you should buy it over going to a truck wash). Unless, that is, you take it and give a biased preface as to your perceived history of the original poster, why you think he posted it, and why you think it was a bad idea. All of which will yield a biased response. But I'm sure you're aware of that since you're in "the biz."
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | So I go to the Streak Master website. I poke around looking at the products. Maybe my "man vision" prevents me from finding it, but I didn't find a MSDS for the product. So without that I don't know the risks involved with Streak Master products. |
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Location: CROSSROADS | Originally written by wyndancer on 2011-06-13 8:52 AM
So I go to the Streak Master website. I poke around looking at the products. Maybe my "man vision" prevents me from finding it, but I didn't find a MSDS for the product. So without that I don't know the risks involved with Streak Master products. Anyone that would like the MSDS for Streak Master Aluminum Cleaner, please email me and I will forward the MSDS Thanks, Greg |
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Location: CROSSROADS | Originally written by GRNMCHNEDAZE on 2011-06-13 8:36 AM
No, it was you that stirred things up by jumping down somebody's virtual throat. Did you know about the ill effects of HF acid before this post? I didn't--nor did I know about truck stops using it or even car washes. Like I stated before--if you can't be thankful for the information presented, then move on. The flaming and drama is quite annoying. I'm not so sure printing this out and taking it to your next meeting would be the best idea for you. Since you expressed that everyone interprets it differently, your colleagues may see it as mere information instead of a way to drum up his business (since there was no mention of streak master in the entire post, or why you should buy it over going to a truck wash). Unless, that is, you take it and give a biased preface as to your perceived history of the original poster, why you think he posted it, and why you think it was a bad idea. All of which will yield a biased response. But I'm sure you're aware of that since you're in "the biz." First of all, Thank YOU. Now if you don't mind I have a little to say as well. I sell thousands of gallons of chemical online and ship tankers (5500 gallons) of chemical to major horse, livestock, and over the road trailer manufacturers. Wal-Mart is building car washes all over America. I sell them chemicals because we were proven to be more effective and safer than those they reviewed. (And they reviewed a lot) These are just a couple of my accounts. The reason for this statement is because, I am not desperate to sell anything. I talk to a mulitude of people in the trailer industry, including ordinary folks, trailer dealers, and manufacturers. Everyone knows the acids can cause burns however, HF acid goes way beyond just burning. And this is something that most people do not know. They also do not know that most truck washes use HF acid. So how would anyone know to ash for a citrus wash. (More on citrus wash later) I am advertising on the board! I am not asking or have not asked anyone to buy Streak Master products in my post. So quit accusing me of doing so...My main concern is that the majority of the people that own trailers do not know about the dangers of poisonous HF acid and felt it would be good info for this forum. I also felt it to be my humanitarian obligation to share this information. And for all of you accusing me of foul play and also opening a can of worms, did you research the facts before you jumped all over me? Did I ask you to buy Streak Master? Or did I just give you the facts? Thank all of you that supported this post and the research that it has lead to. My favorite saying: "At Least The Majority Are still Thinking" and the others "If I Only Had A Brain" |
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Location: Virginia | I'm not so sure printing this out and taking it to your next meeting would be the best idea for you. Actually, GRN…, the discussion with the team would be centered around why cutter99, blackcows, and wyndancer (and myself) responded differently than others did. The history of the poster and why he posted it would be irrelevant. I am not looking to win over people to see ‘my side’ of things as you seem to imply with your ‘biased’ remarks (little bit of flaming and drama there??). As I said, there is no right or wrong. As perception is the key, understanding what was in the message that causes this type of reaction is important as our marketing team is responsible for putting out informational messages.
And not that you really care, I did know the dangers of HF acid prior to this posting (I work for a company that uses it extensively for metal etching) and I also think it is good information to have. The issue was not with the info. |
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Location: Ohio | Originally written by pinkmouse on 2011-06-13 12:02 PM I'm not so sure printing this out and taking it to your next meeting would be the best idea for you. Actually, GRN…, the discussion with the team would be centered around why cutter99, blackcows, and wyndancer (and myself) responded differently than others did. The history of the poster and why he posted it would be irrelevant. I am not looking to win over people to see ‘my side’ of things as you seem to imply with your ‘biased’ remarks (little bit of flaming and drama there??). As I said, there is no right or wrong. As perception is the key, understanding what was in the message that causes this type of reaction is important as our marketing team is responsible for putting out informational messages.
And not that you really care, I did know the dangers of HF acid prior to this posting (I work for a company that uses it extensively for metal etching) and I also think it is good information to have. The issue was not with the info. At this point, you've made your point, the rest of us have as well. IMHO, its in the best interest of the board to agree to disagree, drop it and move on. We each will do with this information as we please. Hopefully we will all think twice about giving others crap over something they post. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Greg, To be certain, I have no issues with your product and I think you offer a product that I will most likely purchase in the future. I would offer this advice. Put the MSDS's up as a pdf link on your site. Your site uses the term "acid", you need to differentiate your specific acid from others. To the layperson, acid is acid. |
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Location: western PA | I and many other members of this forum have offered our best advice on many topics. The combined knowledge available from this forum, has been most helpful in my ownership of my vehicles and trailers. Unfortunately there are some members who will disagree with whatever is posted, and try to find fault and place blame with the available information. As a result, there have been many instances of posting members being accused of various maladies, when they are only trying to be informative. I for one, want to know as much as I can about the products I use. In my working life time, I have used many "industrial" products that are not available to the public, that have caused health problems to many. Anyone who is willing to alert me to the risks, or can recommend a better usage, is fully welcomed in my book. I greatly appreciate the skills and knowledge of others, along with their willingness to share them. Greg was not selling, he was informing. And for taking the time to make the posting, he is criticised, not thanked by many. I offer an A+ for his thoughtfulness and effort. When a legitimate posting is flamed, it increases the chances of future knowledge being stifled. Few people are willing to endure personal attacks, when their efforts were only intended for the betterment of the forum. Do we want to shut down the available sources of information by attacking the authors? Aren't we wise enough to not shoot the messengers?
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Location: TN | I don't think he was being criticized for the information he was delivering- I think it was the way it was delivered. My hackles went up immediately because of the way the information was stated. I work in sales and marketing as well and have had extensive sales training throughout my career. I have never felt the need to come across aggressively against a competitor's product- I can sell the merits of my product and do not need to say something negative about someone else's to get the job done. I have encountered other salespeople who will out and out LIE in order to make a sale, so please forgive me if I look at things from a jaded point of view. I saw the poster's username and immediately thought this was someone trying to sell a product, not just provide useful information. I still have never heard of anyone's horse having a problem from it! Just offering up the reasons for my reaction! |
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| I didn't read him coming across against any particular product,by brand NAME,that he mentioned. PinkMouse,he didn't stir things up the first time he came on this forum.He was asked by the forum moderators to come on in preview of his products and the ad that he was paying for on HTW.It was some posters that are no longer on here (and that's a good thing,because,they were RUDE to the maxx,to him,Gard,and several others just because they could be for a while) who came down on him about his products and expected him to pick his own product to pieces in order to try to sell it. This isnt' Topix,you know.If you want to get ugly about it,go on there on your own hometown and blast away.I like Streakmaster products,they work as promised,and,that's enough for me.I don't care how he pushes it,it's his company.
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Location: CROSSROADS | I did not say any horses were having problems. I only stated facts about the poisonous chemicals used at the truck washes. And just like asbestos, how many people and animals are effected right now and the damage surfacing years from now. I only stated the facts and it is up to you to do the research. |
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