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Location: Southern New Mexico | I need to replace the tires on my camper. They are ST235/80R16's load range D. The local places don't carry them but one has the St235/80R16 E's ($101.00)and another has a LT235/85R16 E(this is what I have on my horse trailer) at 151.00. Anyone know of somewhere cheaper to get them on line? |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Looks like you're going to need something rated at 3000# or better... http://www.goodyear.com/rv/products/marathon.html http://www.michelinman.com/tires/light-truck/xps-rib/13080/ Good tires ain't cheap, cheap tires ain't good... Just don't replace them with Carlisle or any of the other Chinese built tires..... It will just cost you alot more in the long run. |
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Location: western PA | Call around to the tire and truck dealers and ask for 16" "E" range LT "take offs". They're new tires, usually sold at 1/3 less than retail. Gard |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | I have no intentions of buying cheapies. My kids are going to be riding with me! I hadn't thought of looking for take offs. I'll have to check into that. We are going to Fl come Sept and I want to take the camper but we have to get new tires first. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by Terri on 2009-05-05 1:10 AM
I have no intentions of buying cheapies. My kids are going to be riding with me! I hadn't thought of looking for take offs. I'll have to check into that. We are going to Fl come Sept and I want to take the camper but we have to get new tires first. What "brand" does the camper have on it now? Had any trouble with them? How old are they?.... Going to be tough finding an "ST-80" series takeoff..... An "LT-85" series is a little taller, you may have some clearence issues with the taller tire, some of those campers sit might close to the tire when loaded. Measure, measure, measure... |
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Location: Foothills of the Smokeys | While traveling to Tex from Tn. A friend and I were both pulling 3 horse trailers with 10ft. lq in Tex. Phil blowed a tire on his 05 Sundowner . a lot of damage to the side .after replacing the tire for 300 dollars a few days later he blows another tire on the opposite side. more damage. These were Trail American tires. low miles. any way to tell what year they were made? |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by mud_dog on 2009-05-05 7:09 AM
While traveling to Tex from Tn. A friend and I were both pulling 3 horse trailers with 10ft. lq in Tex. Phil blowed a tire on his 05 Sundowner . a lot of damage to the side .after replacing the tire for 300 dollars a few days later he blows another tire on the opposite side. more damage. These were Trail American tires. low miles. any way to tell what year they were made? They are built in China, Taiwan, etc... Notice on their web site they dont list any contact info... The country of origin should be stamped on the sidewall. http://www.jcacorp.com/index.html http://www.iboats.com/mall/info/tires.html An old HTW thread... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=11359&posts=8
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Location: Foothills of the Smokeys | They are trail america made in japan any wayto tell what year they are made thanks Mud Dog |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by mud_dog on 2009-05-05 8:58 AM
They are trail america made in japan any wayto tell what year they are made thanks Mud Dog They should have a "tatoo" on the sidewall showing the build date... This date may just be on one side, not both sides. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11 |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | We haven't had any problems with the brand that is on the camper. I'm not exactly sure how old they are. We bought the camper new in Feb 06 but it has been sitting and the side walls are really checked/cracked. I'd rather not chance a 3000 mile trip with them in that condition. The camper is loaded right now, we went to the lake last weekend and I haven't unloaded it. I'll have to go out and measure the tires and check the clearances. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | OK I'll probably catch flack for this one.. But try a junk yard. yes a junk yard. Look at the spare tires. Most of them have never been on the ground. I can usually find 4 brand name matching tire. Sometimes I might have to wait a week or two for some fresh kill to come in. But its worth the time looking. Most of the time I can get all 4 for the price of a new one. Then another 40-50 bucks to have them mounted and balanced and the old one disposed off.. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by apex6000 on 2009-05-05 10:29 PM
OK I'll probably catch flack for this one.. But try a junk yard. yes a junk yard. Look at the spare tires. Most of them have never been on the ground. I can usually find 4 brand name matching tire. Sometimes I might have to wait a week or two for some fresh kill to come in. But its worth the time looking. Most of the time I can get all 4 for the price of a new one. Then another 40-50 bucks to have them mounted and balanced and the old one disposed off.. Just my 2 cents worth. How old are those brand new spares that have never been on the ground...?? 4-5-6-7 years old? |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Nope.. 1-2 at the most. You just have to be selective. Like I said I knew I would catch flack. |
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Location: Vermont | The problem with using LT instead of ST...is the less rigid sidewalls on the LT... |
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Location: western PA | Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2009-05-06 2:10 AM The problem with using LT instead of ST...is the less rigid sidewalls on the LT...  The LT tires do not have the lower speed limitations as do many of the ST tires. The LT tires are designed to work well on the steering axles of the towing vehicle, under varying side loadings and road conditions. They not only support the towing vehicle, but part of the trailer load as well. The effected lateral loading of a towed trailer, is less than that encountered by the towing vehicle when encountering a turn. When a trailer is towed through a turn, its arc is less than that of the towing vehicle. If the loading is the same ratio for both vehicles tires, the trailer will encounter less of a lateral loading. If the LT tires are stable enough for the towing vehicle, they are equally so for a trailer. I have never encountered a stability problem while towing trailers equipped with radial truck LT tires. Both of my LQs trailers are fitted with these tires. Gard
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Location: Southern New Mexico | We have always used the LT tires on our trailers. The camper came with the ST tires. The only advantage I see to those is they are about $50 cheaper. |
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Location: Vermont | http://www.horsewheels.net/V1%20I2%20Trailer%20Tires.pdf Trailers that carry heavy loads, have high vertical side loads, or have inadequate tongue weight can be affected by trailer sway. Passenger car (P) or light truck (LT) bias or radial tires with their more flexible sidewalls can accentuate trailer sway, whereas the stiffer sidewalls of special trailer (ST) tires help to control and reduce sway. For this reason it is not recommended that passenger car (P) or light truck (LT) tires be used on trailers. The best trailer control will be achieved with special trailer (ST) tires.For trailer application, it is essential that you select the correct type, construction, size, and load range tires to match your trailer and its capacity requirements.Special trailer (ST) tires are the best choice for a horse trailer, though they are normally more expensive than passenger car (P) or light truck (LT) tires because they are built tougher with more material and are more bruise resistant. This is necessary because most trailer suspension systems are stiffer and less sophisticated than automotive and light truck suspension systems. Consequently, special trailer tires must be capable of withstanding more abuse. YMMV...
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Location: western PA | When we twice jackknifed at 65 mph, the truck was being pushed in the opposite direction of the trailer. It was only the trailer's stability and brakes, that prevented the truck from tucking under and rolling over. The trailer still has the same LT tires, the truck doesn't. I will gladly attest to the suitability of LT tires on a trailer, even when they are subjected to extreme conditions. Been there and done that. Gard
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| I'm with Gard on this on. I would take a LT tire over a ST tire. They are tested more because they are on vehicles that may carry people. |
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Location: Ingalls, Ks | I guess for the sake of discussion I will throw this out. Had an OEM Goodyear Wrangler HT (LT235/85-16) come apart at the edge of the tread last week. I would guess it came from a heavily loaded 14,000 # trailer, loaded to the max and a tight turn. I personally feel more comfortable with the ST tires on my trailers. That's what I will replace these with. Haven't really researched it a lot, but I have been told that the biggest difference in ST and LT is the ST is designed for heavier loaded turns and also more resistant to weatherchecking. It has something to do with how the cords are laid and connected to each other ?????? |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | I guess for the sake of discussion I will throw this out. Had an OEM Goodyear Wrangler HT (LT235/85-16) come apart at the edge of the tread last week. I would guess it came from a heavily loaded 14,000 # trailer, loaded to the max and a tight turn. I personally feel more comfortable with the ST tires on my trailers. That's what I will replace these with. Haven't really researched it a lot, but I have been told that the biggest difference in ST and LT is the ST is designed for heavier loaded turns and also more resistant to weatherchecking. It has something to do with how the cords are laid and connected to each other ?????? The problem with my ST tires is the checking. The ST's are the same age as my LT's and the LT's aren't checking. I just went and double checked and the LT's are 6months older than the ST's.
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Location: Ingalls, Ks | Haven't experienced any weather checking with either one. Maybe just lucky or I wear them out too fast. My main reason for the ST tire is that I tend to load my tires to the max and I feel more comfortable with the ST. If I wasn't as concerned about the weight I'd probably go with the LT tire just for the price. |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | If I wasn't as concerned about the weight I'd probably go with the LT tire just for the price. As long as the tire is rated for the load I don't see why there would be a problem. Around here the ST's are cheaper. $101 for the ST's or $150 for the LT's. |
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Location: Ingalls, Ks | I guess I'll clear that up. I only buy Goodyear RST 614 tires(235/85R16). I have 5 trailers that run that size and that's what they get. Not my favorite brand of manufacture, but the only one I trust in this situation. I will not buy a foreign brand. The last set I bought came in at just under $250 each. An LT would be cheaper I'm sure! My only reason for chiming in was to mention what happened to my LT tire recently. The ST tires are better built for loaded tight turns than LT tires, you know when you get in a bind and look back and think you should be snapping the spindles off. You buy whatever fits your situation. |
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Location: cental Illinois | I just had a very scary experience this morning with my horsetrailer and TIRES!!!!
I have a 2007 Hawk with 2 tires on each side. I was loaded up with 2 horses and heading down my gravel driveway to our black top county road. I was slowing down to make the turn onto the blacktop and I heard a loud pop.
I thought my hitch had bottomed out or something.... I put it in park and jumped out to look and I could hear air just exploding out, so I went to the passenger side of the trailer and saw the tires!!!
They are Goodyear Marathon tires 205/75R15 ST. I always check tires pressure on my truck and trailer before heading out also do a light check etc.
I started reading this thread trying to decide what to do about replacing my 2 tires.
I looked at them again and they say "made in China"????
The guys from the place that came out to take the tires off said just have they replaced with the same but I am afraid.
What if I had made it out to the highway and was doing 50mph when both tires went!!!! OMG
I am so paranoid about what tires to get....... I have to haul them 2hr to do somehthing this week!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | This is a page from "tirerack". Gives all the info on The Marathon Tire, even the country of origin. Tire may have had an old bruise or cut you hadn't seen. May have been a rotten spot on one side from sitting in the same place too long..... May have cut it on a stone in the driveway. I wouldn't be afraid to go back with the Marathon tire. I would replace them with the 225 in a load range "D". I assume the tires on your trailer, being that they are 205's, are load range "C". Be sure to keep them inflated to 50 psi and limit your speed to 65 mph...!!! Click on the link below, then click on "specs". http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Marathon+Radial
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Location: cental Illinois | Yes they are load range "C" and since they were "Goodyear" I assumed they were manufactured in USA but the tire clearly says made in China..........
So if Goodyear Marathon's are made in China I am not sure I want them.
I am very safety conscious and check everything out regularly. In fact I trailered a 6 hour drive last month and after I got home was checking my tires and thought I saw something weird so took my trailer to a tire place to have them all checked out. They told me my tires were fine.
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Location: cental Illinois | Ok just went to the site you gave me a link to and it states that the 2 tires that are completely flat that I just had removed from my horse trailer are made in US and NZ but on these 2 tires in the back of my pickup it reads MADE IN CHINA what gives some one or something is not right.
I was just going maybe 10 to 15 mph down the road and even less than that as I made the turn onto blacktop so it wasn't over inflation of high speed that created 2 tires going out.
I am taking the tires into the tire shop that told me they were just fine 2 weeks ago to have them inspected. I want to know why are what happened to these tires.
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | quote... I got home was checking my tires and thought I saw something weird so took my trailer to a tire place to have them all checked out. They told me my tires were fine.
And "2" tires at once???? Looks like you need to take your tire man to school!!
What was the build date on the tires? How old are they? I know you said it is a 2007 trailer, but the tires may have been built 2003 or 2004 or earlier. I don't know what happened to your tires, I wasn't there, you'll have to figure that out for yourself. Looks to me like if two of them on the same side went at the same time, then you may have run over something. Did the tread blow, or the sidewall? The tire rack info is new and up to date. Next week the tires that are shown to be made in US and NZ may very well be made in China, or vice-a-versa. The Chinese buit Marathons are built to US specs, unlike the "private label" brands. Good luck. |
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Location: cental Illinois | After the DOT lettering where the "date" of manufacture should be are just a bunch of letters....?? I can find no information on the tires that say a date like 25week 2007 like 2507 would be after the DOT
Yea, I am going to the tire place first thing tomorrow and have them look at these tires and find out what happened.
I will take your advice about going to a 225 and load Range "D" but I am going to look for tires that say made in US and give a date of manufacture.
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Location: NY | that is a scary thing to happen keep us updated |
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Location: Temecula, Calif. | Just had two Goodyears blow out on my trailer one last year and one this. Tires were 6 years old. I replaced all 8 Goodyears on both trailers(ouch!) with Carlisle at Americas Tires all 16" on one trailer and 15" on the other with load range E. Tire man told me 5 to 6 year old tires are pushing the limit on safety. Good luck. |
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Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain... | Two at once, I have to agree with Retento... Something had weakened the sidewall on both and when one went, the other did also. Concerning the Marathons; I have ran them on trailers I have with no issues whatsoever. The Marathons have been made in China for a long time, but keep in mind they are built per Goodyear specs. Goodyear has or had at one time 62 tire plants in 23 or 25 countries. |
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| I also agree with Gard about the LT tires. I have run LTs on both my LQ and stock trailers for years. Never had any problems with them on either trailer. The LQ never goes off road for the obvious reasons, although my husband did take it elk hunting one year and said never again because he worried to much about it. The stock trailer goes anywhere. Just my two cents worth. |
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Location: Indiana | My guess is that the tires are 1. too old. 2. probably sat outside in the sun. 3. were underinflated while not in use. It's too much of a coincidence that both blew basically at the same time. One side note, don't ever use Armoral on the tires and let them sit unused. The chemical eats the tire wall. |
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Location: Western WA | When you make the turn out of your driveway, do you have to turn so hard that the inside trailer tires pivot rather than roll through the turn? You may have "scrubbed" both tires making the turn. |
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Location: La Cygne, KS | I wanted american made tires for my LQ trailer and Retento listed several american brands on another thread. I went with BF Goodrich Commercial T/A All Season. http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/tire-selector/size/ltmetric/235/85/16/Q/commercial-t-a-all-season/tire-details I won't buy chinese or other foreign made products even if they are made to a company's specs. I want to buy american made products by american workers if at all possible. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | The Hawk trailer that was mentioned has a small 205-75-15 tire.... It's almost impossible to find a "LT" tire in that size. I guess thats one of the reasons there are so many cheap "Private Label" brands in that size..... In some cases I would rather have a "P" metric series passenger car tire on a little two horse over the off brand "ST" tire.... I pulled a little two horse bumper pull WW all over everywhere 30 years ago with two fat walking horses, riding of a set of P225-70R15 Uniroyal Tiger Paw white walls!!! (kept the trailer low to the ground) Probably wasn't the best choice, but at that point in time there wasn't that many choices out there. Never had a problem with "car tires" on the horse trailer, kept them aired up tight!! Wish I still had that trailer.... That would make me a nice "run around" trailer now. |
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Location: cental Illinois | Ok the tire saga continues........... Called 5 tire dealers and NONE of them had any 205/75R15 ST's that were NOT made in China!!!!!!!! I was told you cannot find a trailer tire in that size anymore that is made in the US.
I couldnt even find anyone who had Goodyear Marathon's that are on the trailer right now(at least on the side that still has tires). The tires that blew were inspected and two huge puncture holes in both, one punctured and ripped. Guess what I ran over? See attached photo.........
I ended up haveing them put the damn tires I did not want to buy on the rims and left the tire store very un satisfied with my limited choice uh no choice. A "Towmaster" Load C 205/75R15 made in China.1
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Location: cental Illinois | I measured under my wheel wells and I have a 3" clearance between the 205's that are on there now. Is that enough room to go up to a 225???
So I could at least get an american made tire or will I have to go to a 16" rim also? This is really frustrating.
How do I load a photo straight into my message rather that as an attachment?
My GVWR is 7000 LBS on this trailer it is a 2H with a dressing room in front.
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Location: cental Illinois | Originally written by nobodyimportant on 2010-04-07 10:44 AM
My guess is that the tires are
1. too old. NOPE 2006
2. probably sat outside in the sun. It is sometimes parked in the barn and sometimes outside,are tires unable to withstand sunlight?
3. were underinflated while not in use. NOPE
It's too much of a coincidence that both blew basically at the same time.
One side note, don't ever use Armoral on the tires and let them sit NEVER USE ARMORAL ON TIRES.....unused. The chemical eats the tire wall.
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Location: North Carolina | Originally written by playit7x on 2010-04-08 8:18 AM
The tires that blew were inspected and two huge puncture holes in both, one punctured and ripped. Guess what I ran over? See attached photo......... I'm sorry that you've have some trouble with your tires... My reason for posting is to reiterate USrider's recommendation to carry TWO spare tires. Tandem tires have a tendency suffer to damage together since they're so close to each other. As in your case... In my case, I was far from home and didn't like to be without a spare after a blowout. So I eventually got another spare tire. I'm trying to figure a spot to carry the second spare. I usually carry it in the bed of the truck. It's a pain and takes up space. Anybody care to share their method of storing their second spare? |
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Location: sc | Originally written by hosspuller on 2010-04-08 2:09 PM I'm trying to figure a spot to carry the second spare. I usually carry it in the bed of the truck. It's a pain and takes up space. Anybody care to share their method of storing their second spare? On current BP, in the DR right in front of the 1st spare, extended the all-thread and tighten both down. Made a nice 'table' for saddle pads. On a previous GN, had the 1st in factory spot across from jack handle, 2nd in rear tack. Other GN, just tossed it up inside GN (no mattress obviously). |
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Location: cental Illinois | Are Carlisle's American Made????? |
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Location: cental Illinois | Nevermind.... they are China made and I just got off a RV towing site that listed them as dangerous and many complaints and blowouts...........
The tire search :(
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Location: cental Illinois | Ok, I had gone to the Denman Tire website suggested. I was soooo happy they had a commercial trailer tire in the size I needed rated "D" and "E"!!!! Yeah I tried calling them direct from their website 800# and could not get anyone to answer the phone. So I went looking for their dealer sites and called one of them about getting the rires.
He told me, I am very sad to say that Denman has just filed for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy............. He said it was too bad since they made really quality tires :(
sad sad tire saga, I would be in better shape if I had a huge horsetrailer or a tiny one. Unfortunately mine seems to fall in that mid range tire fitting area |
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